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Linux is obviously the choice for my desktop, especially since I’m not defending against organized crime or a government, but like you said it’s important to understand its strengths and weaknesses.


Disclaimer: I’ve never had a mastodon account.

  1. Authentication: who will have accounts? Artists and fans? How can you reduce spam accounts signing up? If you just have open sign-ups and trolls abuse it to mass spam other instances, they might defederate (Lemmy had this issue with a political troll).

  2. Always go through all the settings/configuration!

  3. if it’s within your means, decorate and personalize the place a little to match your purpose. I dont know how easy it is to do theming adjustments, even simole things like colour scheme. Especially since half the Mastodon sites all look the same.

  4. Have something of value. Why should people use your site instead of just twitter and facebook? What can you do that they don’t? Does your audience care about those things? I can talk about FOSS and privacy and security for days but most people don’t care about that enough to join a different site.


As a quick introduction to the idea of Linux phones vs. Android ROMs, this post (updated about a year ago) gives an introduction from a security perspective. Depending on your adversary’s capability, security can be an important dependency of privacy.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux-phones.html


It sounds like you’re suggesting Linux phones are more private and secure than GrapheneOS. Given their current state and limitations, it is extremely unlikely that any of them are more secure than GrapheneOS against a typical hacker or malicious app.

with the downside that is limited to one single phone brand

In terms of security, this is also a benefit. It means they aren’t trying to aim at fifty different targets which may behave different or even unexpectedly. The software developers have far far far more confidence that their security features will work on your device if they test it on theirs.

Again, there is no such thing as “full privacy and security”. It is unpragmatic idealism. Not only does it misinterpret privacy and security as concepts, it is an unconstructive attitude for creating an effective security model, and just encourages burnout for no benefit. We don’t limit “full”. There is no full. There is no perfect answer. It’s an undefined and unachievable idea.

“[Someone made] a laptop, encased in foam in a full Faraday cage, wrapped by alternating metal foils, and finally covered by a 1” layer of reinforced concrete."

"It had been billed as the most secure computer ever. Right until two research papers had come out that showed it was possible to decipher processing by the amount of power being consumed and by pulling the slight RF signal being carried by the ground line. "

Now, I’m not saying you can’t effectively secure your device adequately against big-tech and corporate capitalism. I say you can! It’s achievable. But it’s unconstructive to hold the illusion that there is some absolute “full privacy” against them.


Who are you hiding from? “Increasing privacy” means nothing without context.

My adversaries (well, when I’m not at a protest) are not likely to be tracking my phones location, and my phone is set up that no app or website can, so to me personally it’s a large sacrifice for no benefit.

But for someone else, it could be good advice!


Adding on to what Grouchy already said (good post) :

  • Like they said, safer for what? Against who? A landline can’t get stolen from your pocket. A landline can’t use encrypted E2EE messaging apps like Jitsi or Signal. Words like ‘safe’, ‘private’ and ‘secure’ mean nothing without context. They describe situations.
  • I use a phone for far more than calls, a landline wouldn’t change that
  • Most of the benefits of a security-focused ROM are against hacking and untrusted apps. These don’t affect landline phones.

There is no such thing as “full security and privacy”. It doesn’t exist and it’s not a useful goal.

Security and privacy don’t exist as absolute values. Things are not universally more or less secure than other things. You need to understand things like the needs of a situation (e.g. you correctly pointing out a modern phone has more use-cases than a landline), who the threats are, and what their capabilities are. Putting a decent password on an iPhone makes it adequately private and secure against my parents. Using a landline is not adequately secure against a government agency. Know Your Enemy!

As for your advice, a quick counter:

  • FOSS does not imply correctness. In fact, FOSS is great because we know for a fact it has and always will have bugs! That helps us know his much to trust it instead of being a mystery like proprietary junk. So while I personally trust GrapheneOS to do those tasks better than stock ROMs, that line of reasoning is dangerous and historically known to be inaccurate.
  • FOSS is on the software level anyway, certain adversaries are capable of attacking at the hardware level. Typical scammers aren’t. Who’s your threat??

That’s great to see! And it’s been steady and significant, I believe many instances doubled since last year.

I would be interested to see the methodology of this site, like how they list new servers (I see an ‘Add’ button, probably also scrapes for federation?) and tally totals. I don’t have time to verify numbers, but it seems to be solid, which is good. They’ve:

  • [correctly, but interestingly] included the completely unfederated bakchodi instance
  • [correctly] removed the dead wolfballs instance around February (surprisingly it had dropped to 7th highest listed on join-lemmy.org by the time the announcement was made, I was expecting a bigger hit to stats as it was 3rd/4th about a year ago)
  • [correctly, but counter-productively] excluded hexbear.net, which is run on a diverged fork based on Lemmy, but are actively trying to re-converge and federate with the main Lemmy network.

It’s a bit hard to compare the stats from hexbear.net (especially since I don’t know how they count them sending huge numbers of posts off the site to a backup to try and make the site run faster) but here’s a summary, assuming no huge unlisted instance has shown up since:

Posts count:

  • hexbear: 260.6K
  • lemmy.ml: 74.0K
  • lemmygrad.ml: 40.9K
  • bakchodi: 19.2K
  • feddit.it: 3.27K [might not be exactly 5th place, I don’t have time to check all of them, but the huge drop is clear]

Users/month:

So when I bring these edge cases up, they aren’t trivial. They’re literally two of the biggest four instances by far. Deciding if they count or not, due to their federation status, matters, especially Hexbear as they appear willing and likely to eventually federate, and to upstream their code improvements in order to re-converge. So they realistically might become part of the wider Lemmy community.


Definitely, especially last year where some persistent obsessed kiddo would keep finding each federated instance with open registration and making low-tier troll accounts on them.


The focused, exclusive communities and the open, chaotic communities both have their place. Those ones blocking the majority of instances to get rid of junk and harassment are perfectly valid, although I personally would definitely need accounts elsewhere.


Yep, one example was gtio.io, which occasionally had a decent topic or two, but about a third of the userbase was from lemmy.ml and another third from wolfballs.com (the former instance which attracted a political ‘right-wing’ userbase). Since lemmy.ml defederated from wolfballs.com, you wouldn’t even see most of the replies from a lemmy.ml account and have to get an extra account somewhere to reply.

Of course, those replies were almost always low-quality garbage, but I did want to see and reply to them!


haha, the paradoxical answer is to make your own personal instance for you to federate and post on all the other communities freely.

(yes, I know ‘just make ur own instance’ isn’t helpful advice because not everyone has the time/money/tech-familiarity to do so, I’m more just pointing out that’s how some people approach the issue of having to pick a community)


I’ve seen a lot of websites (not so much in the Fediverse, but small forums and spin-off forums) and the kinds of basis they have does affect whether people want to post there, and how the place grows. (I’ll just call them instances, because they technically are but I’m not just talking about Fediverse instances, so the dynamics of cross-visibility between sites aren’t really being considered)

Topic-based instances and goal-oriented instances seems like the best bet for a high-quality discussion community. I mean broad topics as well, consider mander.xyz or the former gtio.io, not just more specific ones like slrpnk.net. It can be limiting, but so long as you’re secure enough with your ego that you don’t need to chase high numbers to know you’re stable and active, then I’d recommend it. The tough part is that you may not get as much casual exposure to start off with, by being on the same site as larger communities, you might need to be active (without being annoying) in crossposting good topics to make people aware your community exists.

National-based instances are also popular, probably because of shared language, cultural elements and local issues. But they are otherwise pretty compatible to general instances. They do have a place, I’ve enjoyed a couple on occasion, they have a place, but I do prefer the topic-based communities. There’s no point limiting every topic arbitrarily by nation or state.

General instances (either topicless copy-cats or freely user-defined communities) are hit-or-miss, I personally don’t like them in a federated space unless they are specifically solving an issue.

lemmy.ml is somewhere between topic-based and general. It is explicitly “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers” (I notice that broadened a bit, surprising although no complaints), and you can see that bias in the communities list, but the mods aren’t aggressive with enforcing the topic. There are random sports, country and interest communities here. Whether that’s out of inactivity (volunteer time and effort is limited!) or lax policy (the more the merrier!), it makes this feel more like a general site despite the tagline. I remember last time I checked (admittedly a year ago) the staff were explicit and purposeful that this is not an official instance and was not trying to cater to everyone as a general instance, encouraging people to make more granular instances for things which weren’t meant to go here.

If that is the case (again, policy could be different) then maybe some extra messaging on the Create Community and Register pages could help prevent the regular issue we had when someone fundamentally against the community (like someone kicked from reddit because of racist comments) would show up and be surprised when they were herded out of here too.


I do think it’s important for a site to be willing and able to kick moderators who are abusive, especially in a major community. But as for a formal system for reclaiming a community, it would be up to in individual instance’s staff.

There are struggles with a voting system in a pseudonymous environment like this site: how do you enforce identity? How can you detect if 5 accounts are actually just me and my sockpuppets? And how can you do that without making life horrible for people who want to stay private with tools like proxies and anti-trackers? It’s possible to mitigate some of these problems but it’s not an easy task once a community grows, and can involve compromise.

In a smaller site like this, raising complaints to the instance staff or on a /c/meta like community is a good first step and can be very effective if the case is strong.


I see what you mean. I have seen communities migrate platforms, both successfully or with issues, and a slow sinking ship in a decentralized community (e.g. #BlackTwitter), where the large move of people probably won’t happen suddenly like with a deplatforming, feels like it will be an uncomfortable slow split.

But, like you said with journalism, I sincerely think that they would benefit from the move, or even a split. Twitter is that bad.


heh, I would be surprised if there isn’t already a blocklist for companies like M$


A good thing about community-driven non-profit software is the features which get implemented are typically more in-line with what the users want, rather than adding commercial things like more ads and grifting gimmicks.

It is a mix of ‘has this! doesn’t have that yet’ and some rough edges because it is still young (well, 4 years is young compared to reddit’s 19 years) and only has a handful of developers, many of them hobbyists. But it’s great to see it already growing, and updates are a pleasant surprise rather than a cause for concern.


That’s a good point, those tools would make it easy enough to post and helps add the Fediverse into their view.

I hadn’t realised those social media management tools were also impacted with the API outages, so maybe more and more will be looking towards the competitors, and it seems like Mastodon has finally managed to become a big fish.


Given the context of this post (Fediverse), I’m morbidly curious to see how many simply don’t move to another microblogging platform, like Mastodon. The early Fedi users actively valued the lack of commercialism and popularity-seeking. And I too hope these annoying and harmful things don’t find a home there. There will be brands who try, and being so used to the paradigm of twitter and the mainstream, get pushed away, but I think most won’t even try.


Reputation risk has often been emphasised (in my experience) within companies.

Twitter is now seeing mass exoduses, shutting out organizations on the CEO’s whim, and (while I’m not sure how mainstream this is) being associated with USA right-wing politics. I thought Zucker’s Cambridge Analytica scandal was the best we’d get, but this is a rapid total implosion event. In my privileged position of never liking twitter, I would call it beautiful. But most might prefer ‘train-wreck’.

So yeah, we might see a point where being associated with Twitter becomes not just a waste of time but actively harmful to a company and catching journalistic/consumer flak.


Oh cool, fediverse cross-posting in action.

I hadn’t seen a good scale of the newer cars, when people said it was hard to see young children, I wasn’t thinking “you need to be 15 or older to cross this road”.


In that (rare) situation, you can just say ‘picture of the bird’ to avoid being redundant!

When I ask the strident twits this, I generally get vague homilies and blocks.

Unfortunately, I believe you. Some people take counterpoints very badly, it’s notorious with twitter (and therefore ex-twitter) users.

My response is that demand, in that redundant situation, is insulting to people with visually-imparement and can be disregarded.


Hah, unfortunately the malicious ones will just buy fake/stolen accounts.


If it affects alternative frontends like libreddit, teddit, etc., that will be enough for me to almost completely quit browsing.

Events like this are unpredictable, and it is why places like Lemmy need to always be ready to receive and retain users. I lost some interest because I felt the main instances had similar problems (culturally) to reddit instead of trying to be something better, and that community feedback seemed to go unreceived. The technology can help, but the rest is up to people putting in extra effort.


Torvalds is the kind who doesn’t get into the religious wars, like FOSS vs proprietary and such. So I’m not at all surprised by their post.


Alt-text on media: Why not compulsory on some instances?
I don't have many fedi accounts, but looking at public Mastodon feeds it is very common to see people requesting others to add alt-text to their media and getting a lot of boosts/etc. Is there any reason (beyond a very mild convenience) for some Mastodon instances not to require alt-text on media? It seems like something a lot of admins would want to do, given their general audience, and naively I'd say it's very easy to implement.

Federation for Pixelfed, Mastodon, Pleroma and Peertube solve one main issue which is the lack of freedom of speech.

I completely disagree. In fact, ‘freedom of speech’ is not why I use Lemmy instances as opposed to other sites. I haven’t been banned from any reddit-like site. It’s also not why I use PeerTube. And based on what I’ve seen, 'free speech ’ isn’t the main reason why people use Pixelfed/Mastodon/Pleroma. Most of the millions moving to Mastodon aren’t doing it because they or their friends were banned or censored. The following points apply just as much to those platforms as they do Lemmy:

Even your implicit argument of different rules/moderation isn’t the main reason I use Lemmy’s federation. Federation allows small communities with different communities, different moderation and different softwares to cross-pollinate. This is extremely useful for social media platforms where popularity is (let’s generalize) necessary, and we don’t have the first mover advantage like reddit.

  1. Different Lemmy communities don’t have to compete. Progressive liberals can sign up to beehaw, classical liberals can sight up to wolfballs, leninists can sign up to lemmygrad, and ALL OF THEM can subscribe to mander.xyz communities! We’re not forced to pick and choose between a dozen competing environment communities, not hurt by splits in community over moderation differences.

In small communities this helps them stay alive. I’ve been on sites that have died. It’s not fun! That’s one thing federation solves for me.

  1. If an instance’s administration suddenly make a choice I don’t like, and I want to change my account to another site, I don’t lose access to all the communities I helped build. This doesn’t even have to be a moderation decision, it can be them changing the software or accidentally breaking it, or worst case, forcing ads or trackers on users. This is Free and Open Source Software. If Lemmy altogether somehow made major software changes I don’t like, I can edit the software and host my own instance. Then I am the moderator, there’s less trust I need to place in other moderators!

Having been a moderator for many highly-liberal (as in liberty, like ‘freedom of speech’) communities, you’ll understand what I mean when I say not all speech is worth reading, even if there is value in letting people be allowed to say it. So, you are right in that federation has an appeal for ‘freeze peach’ idealists. Wolfballs exists and federates, despite their users being banned from the most popular instances. Lemmygrad didn’t want to listen to the neo-nazis who were taking advantage of Wolfballs’s freedoms. So due to federation, Wolfballs still have a platform and community, and Lemmygrad don’t have to waste their time scrolling through it, while both communities have access to other less-political federated instances. That’s a real scenario that happened. Not some idealistic what-if.


It absolutely doesn’t, if I own an instance I can easily add ad features and analytics and allow advertisers to make accounts. However, culturally, there is generally a resistance to those things. It’s real and it’s meaningful. Sure, someone can scrape instances for some stats because they’re public websites but it’s not the same as tracking cookies and other technical invasive techniques that are commonplace.


It’s a two-edged sword: if a creator makes money from their art by shoving ads and marketing in my face, I wouldn’t mind them being alienated from most of these communities.

That doesn’t mean they can’t make money from their art, in fact alternate strategies like crowdfunding and donations for supporting artists are increasingly viable online.

I know it requires a cultural adjustment for most people to actually financially support artists and online services as we’re so used to them being supplied gratis, but it’s one that has shown itself to work in communities.


Probably Stable, I just use distro default (currenlty 5.15.*)




Well, also that they’re looking for a twitter replacement and not a reddit replacement. It’s not that they’re generally annoyed with the mechanics or format of twitter, but they’re looking for an alternative to its current leadership and direction.

But I suppose them being on Mastodon and therefore being exposed more to interoperable Fediverse platforms could give more causal exposure to PixelFed/Lemmy/PeerTube/etc.



I recently ate at a restaurant, we were one of the only two or three dine-in customers and there was a steady stream of delivery orders.

When we finished, we were the only customers left. We talked to the owner’s brother (running the place that night, taking orders and half the cooking) after our meal, and at a point he lamented the trend towards delivery: they nab 30% of the revenue, which is bad enough, but then the food itself is affected: a freshly-cooked naan bread kept in delivery packaging will just it in its steam and get soggy by the time it’s delivered. A five-star dish becomes a three-star dish, and that affects your reviews.

But something that also came through, for me, was how it affects community. The manager-cook took us back into the kitchen, showed us around, let me put my hand in a huge ceramic tandoor, and made it into an experience (and not in the marketing buzzword sense!).

I’ve been raised in a city environment where food, if not made by family or close friends, is purely a commercial service. A smile from a server is the entire humanity of it, or you’re thoughtful, a thank you to the chef. I only know two exceptions rather than this Indian place, which is a kebab store (ordering certain foods will prompt an excited cheer from the staff) and a Japanese sushi store where the tiny open kitchen burst out ‘ohaiyo!’ when the door bell rang. It’s even embedded in our language, for an example, ‘companion’ comes from latin stems meaning ‘with’,‘bread’, com panis, someone you eat with. What happened to communal food culture in ‘the West’?

Well, maybe you get a bit of interaction from the delivery guy if you write notes telling them to dance… sigh

But I’ve also talked to someone who was short on money and ran two delivery jobs (as in, two services simultaneously) while on vacation so we went with them, and they emphasized that a 4 out of 5 is a bad score and that average allows you to be fired.

4 stars is, in no normal rating system, below average. Everyone I ask says that means ‘better than expected’ or ‘above average’.

So yeah, try and order directly from stores (I’ve never used a third-party delivery service) and if you must use delivery or taxi services, give 5 stars if they don’t deserve 1 star.


I’m not a Mastodon/etc. users but I can sympathize with some other sites. Even here has its own Ongoing September from redditors.

I would recommend reaching out to moderation teams and raising awareness, because they probably have far more ability to put global notifications or sign-up messages, and to give warnings to uncomfortable behaviour.

Make sure to call out twitter carryover, in a constructive way, so that people are aware that Mastodon isn’t ‘twitter but here’.


Honestly, if that happened in my city, I’d try and start a chant saying “Fuck Candy Crush” and hope it rewrites the headline.


In a community called World News, it’s useful to make sure the post title shows which country this is about.


User got 3 days for “getting into fights with many users” global modlog/community modlog

They did have a couple of deleted comments that were correctly hit for rule 2 (although it’s still inconsistent moderation, seeing how worthless insults like this stay up) but being banned for arguing with many people? That’s beyond reasonable. This is a political thread, a bunch of users disagreed with a poorly-made but legitimate critique, and the person gets banned for replying to many of them?

Might as well say ‘this is an echo-chamber, controversial opinions are banned’. I agree, very disappointing, and not based in the site or community rules.


It’s a bit disappointing to ask “where did they get the percentage?” before immediately giving some uncited ones of your own: “individual nations, majority of them supports Ukraine (and US/EU etc)” and using an article from a conservative ‘think tank’ (wiki link) when complaining about propaganda.


Xonotic, STK and 0 A.D. have been my main 3. They’re pretty fun offline too.


Please the report feature to bring up troublesome users (or if really necessary, the lemmy.ml community), this community is for the software called Lemmy.


I hear news of a train strike upcoming in the USA, how does pro-car culture affect that?
Open question, but here's my reason for asking: I'm aware that the UK [temporarily halted] and Australia also have active train strikes that affect travel. Since the trains are quite widely used by citizens on their ways to and from work, the strikes inevitably make many of the affected people angry due to the inconvenience. So I wonder if USA's notorious anti-public transport norms mean that a train strike will become more of a commercial issue than a personal issue. There has already been concerned industry organizations like the fertilizer one urging the government to make the striking illegal, do you foresee any important anger among the general population over the strikes?

What bad habits of reddit’s userbase have you noticed on Lemmy sites?
# NO POLITICS. Almost inevitably, most of the people joining Lemmy instances are former-reddit posters those who consider it a 'reddit clone' as opposed to an independent link aggregator site. This can be seen in the most popular communities (simply recreations of existing reddit subreddits), terminology (people saying 'sublemmies' or 'subs') and most importantly, habits. What social habits have you seen that are commonplace on reddit but should really be discouraged among users moving to here?

The word ‘leftist’ in the instance description should be replaced with something more specific
"Leftist" is not a helpful label here; its meaning changes internationally and personally. It was always vaguely defined and just became more vague and misused for the past two centuries. This is an issue because: 1) It leads to unresolvable persistent conflicts over what is leftist and what isn't, and therefore who is welcome here and who isn't. 2) The admins' definition appears to be different from some very common definitions. In the post ['What is lemmy.ml?'](https://lemmy.ml/post/70280), they imply that a 'liberal instance' is 'something that [lemmy.ml] is not'. This will at best lead to repeated rejection of people who consider themselves 'leftist' but whom many users do not (an annoying and useless exercise for everyone involved), or at worse subversion by people who think they've found home and need to defend it against 'extremists'. Maybe consider *'anti-capitalist'* or *'socialist'* as less ambiguous terms, assuming that is what you meant. This will avoid users who identify as leftists mistakenly signing up and defending the place against those it is explicitly made for. *As a demonstration of the wide range of political positions reasonably considered by people to be 'leftist', here is [the Wikipedia article for 'Leftism'](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leftism). Common definitions include ''pro-egalitarianism'', ''liberalism'' and various 'progressive' social rights movements.*

If a city were designed around public transport, what would still require private motor vehicles?
I've limited the scope of this question to a dense city, although you're free to explore further if you want. Let's assume a country designs a new planned city, with an emphasis on avoiding private motor vehicles like cars and trucks. Would any tasks still require private motor vehicles, such as the moving of heavy goods? It's easy to look at current society and see 'well we'd need a truck to deliver furniture to office buildings, or moving products to stores', but will a planned city be able to avoid this?

An iceberg list compiled by /leftypol/. While a few of these are (true to the format,) sensationalist or tenuous, most are real events.

I was looking at the Communities list, and noticing a few had no icon, I set out to design a few proposals, including a way to have different icons for Lemmy, Meta and Announcements. At that point I realized, lemmy.ml has no distinct logo. The admins have rightfully emphasized that lemmy.ml is not Lemmy, and shouldn't be considered 'The Official' instance. I think it's important to add some clear distinction to this instance. 1) The title Look at any page, top right. It says Lemmy, not lemmy.ml. Look at the page header. It says Lemmy, not lemmy.ml. It's understandable how some people might think this website is *the* Lemmy. Other instances change this, this one didn't. This is probably a simple change that can and should be done immediately. 2) The logo This change takes slightly more design and effort. Ideally we could mix the two defining aspects of this instance: 'leftist' and 'FOSS'. Leftist is easy, just make the lemmy a little bit pink/red. FOSS is harder to incorporate without ruining the logo, maybe a terminal underscore to the right of the lemmy, or give it some glasses to symbolize technology enthusiast culture.

I would definitely recommend viewing some of the other videos on that channel, whichever titles take your interest.

An exploration of the Lemmys, for discussion
##### What is this post? A quick and dirty look into Lemmy instances, their size and interactions, and some insights. ##### Disclaimers * I AM NOT AN EXPERT OR WITNESS: I only started using Lemmy in March 2022. Lemmy was around for around 3 years before that. I am not a developer or instance owner. * I DID NOT GO AND TALK TO PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF: This is just me exploring for fun and starting a conversation. This is not a proper study. Consider telling any one who links you to this page as if it's an expert historical account that I called them an idiot. * This is limited by my experience and my searching, it's not comprehensive. If someone made a dark instance, I probably won't find it. If there's some deep lore, I probably don't know it. Thanks to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list for many of these stats. ##### Alright, Now for the casual rambling. Organic posting started on lemmy.ml from April 2019 so I will consider that the start of Lemmy as a service (my understanding is that lemmy.ml is the oldest non-dev instance) As of now (May 2022) AFAIK, the Lemmy-based sites with the most **total user comments** are: - hexbear.net (2.5M) - lemmy.ml (114K) - lemmygrad.ml (105K) - bakchodi.org (42K) - wolfballs.com (15K) - szmer.info (15K) - feddit.de (3K) - *[dev instances ignored]* - sopuli.xyz (1504) - lemmy.eus (1262) - lemmy.ca (974) The count of **users active in the last month** is similar: - hexbear.net (unlisted, [approx. 1.3K in the last 14 days](https://www.hexbear.net/post/195720)) - lemmygrad.ml (508) - lemmy.ml (474) - bakchodi.org (286) - szmer.info (65) - feddit.it (51) - sopuli.xyz (31) - wolfballs.com (29) - feddit.de (29) - lemmy.ca (17) My guess is that the difference at the bottom of the list is due to highly federated instances spreading their user comments over many instances with more activity, and also due to some instances peaking a few months ago and then declining. For those new to user statistics, you'll notice that popularity usually tends to be exponential: more popular things get more popular. ### What was that first one? Hexbear? Two of the sites listed there, Hexbear (aka. chapo.chat) and Bakchodi, do not federate. They are not part of the Fediverse, but they are using Lemmy. Hexbear is actually running their own *fork* of Lemmy. In that sense it reminds me of Gab, another huge island fork, but only due to size and isolation. While I can't find an admin statement, various Hexbear Gitea issues from 2020 and this comment from December 2021 ["We’re working on bringing Lemmy up to speed with some of the features our “fork” (it’s more of a rewrite) has. When that’s ready we’ll switch to that which will already have federation ready for us."](https://www.hexbear.net/post/163415/comment/2003658) and this from Feb 2022 ["The only issue is that [Hexbear] doesn’t support federation for semi-technical reasons (happy to explain), but that’s going to be fixed (later this year maybe)?"](https://www.hexbear.net/post/174049/comment/2150060) indicate Hexbear is open to the idea but unready ([this 2020 comment](https://www.hexbear.net/post/23488/comment/175031) even states they chose Lemmy precisely because of its federation goal), and Bakchodi appear to have just not set any up (the admin states "Federation is not functional as of now." in a post and nothing more). Contrast both against Gab who cited abuse/security issues and lack of local federation users for their voluntary removal of existing federation. Another point regarding Hexbear and Bakchodi is that they are continuations of existing popular communities: I believe that Hexbear is a continuation of reddit's banned subreddit /r/ChapoTrapHouse, and Bakchodi is a continuation of the banned /r/chodi (which I believe was banned around the same time as /r/GenZedong's quarantining caused a mass exodus to https://lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong ). To the best of my knowledge, lemmy.ml, most of lemmygrad, wolfballs and szmer are new original sites rather than an existing active community migrating as a mass. ### Connections Most instances are connected into the Fediverse. Hexbear and Bakchodi appears to be the only active non-trivial instances that don't federate. Due to the political environment of the internet today and the content currently on Lemmy, I personally think it makes sense to classify the current federation networks of Lemmy instances into four loose groups: - socialist 'left': Primarily value socialism and/or anarchism, and related topics. Generally explicit about their instance's political alignment. The largest group. Examples are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, midwest.social, and would include hexbear.net if it were connected. - liberalist 'right': Primarily value freedom of speech and other liberty. While none yet are e~~xplicitly politically-biased through administration~~[[correction]](https://lemmy.ml/post/287918/comment/193438), they do overwhelmingly have users with views typical of the American 'right-wing' as an inevitable result of where they are promoted, the ideas only they tolerate and the existing posts. Examples are wolfballs.com and exploding-heads.com. - general open: Overall mainstream OR diverse political views, will generally tolerate political instances on both sides of the above divide. Often national instances or 'general-purpose'. mander.xyz is an overt example, gtio.io is also an example. lotide.fbxl.net would be an example, but it's a lotide instance rather than Lemmy. - anti-intolerant: Primarily value friendliness and inclusivity, and so will readily block instances that tolerate intolerance, such as those in the liberalist 'right' category and potentially those further in the socialist 'left' category. An example might be sopuli.xyz. These are all politically determined, as unlike Mastodon and Pleroma there don't tend to be any instances based around controversial single topics or around graphic content that causes instances to defederate. I thought there were more instances that blocked both sides of the 'left'/'right' divide, but they don't seem to exist yet (which is a good sign) beyond lemmy.rollenspiel.monster. It is also worth mentioning that lemmy.ml has blocked some instances due to abuse rather than any cultural disagreement. The first two of the four categories are by far the most popular, even if not the most numerous in instances, probably due to them picking up users being kicked out of reddit and reddit alternatives as they block more and more political subreddits or become unsavory. The earlier kicking of many 'harassment' subreddits from reddit around 2015 lead to many 'right-wing' users to populate Voat and then later bannings lead to communities.win becoming popular, which I believe explains why Lemmy doesn't yet have a strong influx of users who align politically with those banned subreddits and more-so with recently-banned communist subreddits (the core developers' political views and lemmy.ml's reputation may have impacted people moving to instances named after Lemmy or considering hosting new instances, but I suspect it wouldn't affect people who were invited to a place called Wolfballs). Interestingly, there is already a mirror instance that reposts from reddit: goldandblack.us.to ##### Growth [fediverse.observer](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats) has some stats. Ignoring the huge outliers in the middle, there has been a jump in growth in the past two months which I would mostly attribute to the influx to [lemmygrad.ml wow look at that second graph](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmygrad.ml) and the launch of unfederated-but-included bakchodi. Apart from that, there has been a remarkably consistent growth in all the active instances. That's a good sign that this group of communities could last a while. ##### Some concluding thoughts, with regards to reddit As someone who hasn't really used reddit in many years, I like to promote the view of us being independent, growing our own culture, our own norms and not merely aiming to mirror the same shallow emptiness. The bottom line is, we grow a lot when reddit shuts a place down, and as you can see in some of those stats, growth creates more potential for growth. I think it's important to think about what habits we see now both here and there that we want to encourage, and which habits we don't. Think about what should each community tolerate and reject and enforce (and make no mistake, that answer differs depending on purpose and audience!) and how do we redirect people in the wrong places or teach those who are mistaken? (protip: typing these things out each time is very dumb! That's why we invented FAQ pages!) What struggles did Mastodon face as they started to grow more and more? Parts of reddit and similar groups will continue to arrive. Look at [this list of communities that used to be allowed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities): it started off with the very blatant controversies like sexualizing minors, moved on to open blatant racism-focused places that conducted raids, and now they're at banning subreddits about a US (former) president and pro-China memes. Now that Lemmy has established itself as the home of some of the most recently banned communities, I personally think it's only a matter of time before reddit pops off a few more communities as they face pressure from media flak, investors or other major influences, and we should prepare for how to handle this: make potentially targeted communities aware that we exist before an incident, and make sure communities have a clear set of rules and guidelines written for the people that come in expecting this to be reddit again. I think this is an opportunity to fix the things we don't want repeated.


Lemmy users, what do YOU dislike about Musk?
For me, its the celebrityism taking credit for the work of others, the encouragement of worker abuse and the faux-philanthropist façade pretending to be a benevolent savior.

How vulnerable is the Fediverse to the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy, and what can be done to counter it?
Related question: ["Can the Fediverse fall to ruling class / corporate control?"](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772) For those who don't know about EEE, I highly recommend reading at least [the Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish), which includes many examples of Microsoft intentionally trying to do it to open standards like CSS and Java. As an open standard with [relatively few developers](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772/comment/169002), most part-time/casual, spread over many applications, ActivityPub seems like an inevitable target once as it continues to grow. Take a hypothetical example where Elon Musk owning Twitter continues to cause a sustained rush to Mastodon, causing one of Google/Microsoft/Facebook/Twitter to use their large amount of organized resources to clone Mastodon's software, rebrand it, fix the most popular issues in the to-do list, make the server more efficient to host, allow bridging to Twitter (if it's Twitter making it), host it on their fast infrastructure, hire professional moderators and add many of the denied feature requests for making it more Twitter-like. With those companies' capital and established tech teams, most or all of those can be done rapidly. So, I predict if they did, many users and even some hosts would be encouraged to use this extended 'better' software or it may even be advertised and popularized as the simplest, easiest and fastest option, centralizing the bulk of ActivityPub users. They can then use this dominant position to extend ActivityPub in various ways, making various competitors incompatible and increasingly unable to federate. Extend beyond Fediverse competitors' reach, and extinguish them by excluding them from a gradually closing garden filled with activity and popular content producers. Sure, it won't affect the more passionate 'early adopters' here as much who are more than merely annoyed by centralized services, but it's an issue that could potentially prevent these alternatives from gaining a popular audience among the more mainstream crowd who would enjoy the benefits provided it didn't require much sacrifice. An interesting (even if not truly qualifying) example is Gab, a Mastodon fork aimed at an alt-right audience. I recall on Fediverse stats sites, there were a few tiny pods of Gab instances and a small but real network of federating Pleroma and Mastodon instances. I found a comment made over a year ago saying *"Gab ripped their federation code a while ago. Also, when they were federating, they never cared much about properly federating. They used federation as an argument to switching platforms but they didn't care about it."* and some users on a Pleroma instance that formerly federated with Gab was mocking them as recent as one hour ago as *"quit[ting] the fedi because they were getting made fun of [by actual free speech platform users]"*. Gab seemingly embraced the concept, unintentionally, of Embrace and Extend and then privatizing, although with (I assert) no intent nor capacity to extinguish. But what if they did have that intent, either financially or politically? What if they were a *purely* profit-driven project that saw the Fedis as a threat? ##### How can these projects counter EEE? I don't think outpacing is a feasible approach, due to constraints that these non-profit, anti-exploitative projects are bound by. *note: This does work both ways, to a degree, in that for-profit projects will need to have annoying things like ads or dodgy manipulative practices to survive unless they want to run at a significant loss, as an investment. I'm not sure how much most people care about those normalized annoyances, so I don't think that should be relied on. FOSS projects aren't well-known for being successful in the mainstream through their purity and ideals.* Boycotting and ostracization (like, to generalize, Mastodon with Gab, then Gab with Pleroma) might be effective so long as they don't gain an independent dominance through bringing more external users and continuing to dilute the values of the Fediverse. But if their new platform becomes more productive and fun then the Fediverse, then the Fediverse will remain only a niche. I don't have faith in a legal solution, but that is my naïve view, I don't know enough about anti-competitive laws, especially internationally. I'm interested to hear what approaches there might be to what I see as a potential and increasingly imminent threat. Links to existing conversations are welcome too: no need to invent the wheel for me ;)

What are some examples of alliances/unions/etc. of Fediverse instances?
What are some examples of grouping in the Fediverse? This question is in response to a post asking about how to stop corporate dominance in the Fediverse, but unrelated examples are more than welcome. One example is a (defunct?) alliance between 3 national Peertube instances where they agreed to backup each others databases and have similar moderation rules. It would be interesting to see if there's any agreements between instances to block certain instances, like corporate-run (pawoo) or alt-tech (gab) beyond merely using a shared blocklist.

Technically, I think there are an infinite amount of correct answers.

What are the benefits of federation between different site types? (e.g. Friendica, PeerTube)
Note: in hindsight, half of this post is answering my own questions as I explore this rarer side of federation, but there are still some remaining questions which I have highlighted. ##### Introduction This post is created on lemmy.ml. The benefits of federating this post to other Lemmy instances is immediately obvious, since they can use most or all of the site features to read it as intended and interact (voting, replying, reporting, saving, cross-posting or browsing and subscribing to fediverse@lemmy.ml). There is also intuitive benefit in being able to federate with other link aggregators such as lotide and Prismo instances. All these sites have the same basic interface of link-posting, text-posting, voting, commenting and voting on comments. The base format is very compatible, even if extra features are not. I wouldn't be surprised if Lemmy and lotide form a dynamic similar to Mastodon and Pleroma, two microblogging services which again have an intuitive base compatibility. ##### But what about different types? What are the benefits of, for example, making Lemmy federate with Mastodon, Friendica or PeerTube? One approach to answering that is asking what cross-interaction is already possible, like some posts in [!feditolemmy](https://lemmy.ml/c/feditolemmy) which were posted from Friendica. This [nerdica.net post](https://nerdica.net/display/a85d7459-9262-6029-68aa-550236192028) which is [also replicated on !fediverse](https://lemmy.ml/post/238040) shows a conversation in replies between a few Lemmy instances and a Friendica account, and demonstrates the clear analogue of our communities and their forums, and of our votes and their likes (it's just a test ;) ) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/30f19028-f625-451b-a68f-b2c3297c3d8d.png) So Friendica posts federating to Lemmy makes reasonable sense. I'm not sure about the opposite. I guess their posts are analogous to our text posts or text & link posts, so it might be possible to render their forums as browsable communities here. **Question 1: Does my Lemmy account browsing and making new posts on Friendica forums make sense?** Or will the federation only make sense for enabling Lemmy to aggregate Friendica posts and allowing cross-rating and cross-commenting? Note: I found [this Friendica forum on Lemmy](https://lemmy.ml/c/retrocomputing@nerdica.net), which was properly interpreted as a community instead of a user by Lemmy, but posts aren't replicating yet. I'm guessing it's a base for future completion to allow further cross-integration. Friendica does not appear to be able to browse Lemmy users or communities yet. I also assume microblogging sites like Mastodon and Pleroma, along with the Prismo link aggregator, can use hashtags as an analogy for communities. While a post on those sites can belong to multiple tags, Lemmy can imitate this with crossposting in multiple communities. Is this reasonable? PeerTube is where I get more confused, and [I'm not alone](https://lemmy.ml/post/154977/). As a reply there mentioned, we can view a PeerTube user account, such as https://lemmy.ml/u/thelinuxexperiment@tilvids.com and https://lemmy.ml/c/h3h3productions@h3h3.club , although it doesn't seem to work for framatube.org. However the interfaces of Lemmy and PeerTube are radically different, as PeerTube is foremost a video hosting site and Lemmy is a link aggregator. I think it's fair to assert that a Lemmy post cannot be displayed on a PeerTube instance without hacks no-one wants, which leaves PeerTube->Lemmy posting, and mutual liking/commenting/reporting/etc.. A PeerTube video can be adapted as a link post in Lemmy. I'm not certain how a PeerTube upload would signal which communities it should be posted to in Lemmy, but there are reasonable options like an extra field in the upload settings, or a link in the description. **Question 2: Is there a plan to have anything more than PeerTube creating link posts in Lemmy communities with federation between comment sections?** Trying to learn the current situation in order to ask good questions has taught me a lot, I was in a mindset that we had to be able to make posts on other sites in order to usefully federate, when that isn't really our role as a link aggregator site. Media sites can usefully post to here with federated voting and comment sections.

[Ouija] The best way to use $20?
Ouija says: COCK

On the recuperation of /r/antiwork
A bit of a passionless rant about the recuperation of /r/antiwork: I don't even consider myself an anarchist and I'm annoyed. Having visited the place a few years ago (2017?) to see what it was, the place was quite clearly as the name suggested: against the current concept of work. Not anti-labor (generally), but certainly anti-work. Today, we're seeing posts like this gain popularity (part of a screencap posted to the sub, 700+ rating currently) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/0456c855-1d49-4335-bcc2-420ba64e7722.png) And I can understand if that's a naïve attempt at pitching or pandering to an audience not familiar with the nuance of 'work', 'job' and 'labor'. But that's not the case here. After going through the comments, sorted by best, it takes the 7th reply to point out that the sidebar **explicitly and unambigously** says, at the top: > "A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas [...]" and another 7 replies to find this chain with some OP replies: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c933c803-806b-423b-83c4-5d0129154af6.png) and then soon this one, marked with the controversial sign: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e75468b6-b49f-4dca-9c0a-d31566da39f4.png) When you get to a stage where *stating the absolute basic theme of a community* is considered controversial, it's a tragedy. This is an example of [recuperation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)). I honestly think the recuperation was more organic than forced or conspiratorial, caused due to the sudden rush in size by enthused reformists rationalizing the name rather than any intentional agenda. This has happened to other sites and subcultures too, where a sudden and largely unopposed rise in popularity dilutes the original community and its unique qualities. A wide range of anti-capitalist subreddits seem to have come closer and closer into a homogeneous paste of (often the exact same!) twitter screencaps repeating fallacious or vapid 'gotcha' jokes and ragebaits. And I don't want to see the same happen here.


[Feb 2022] Propaganda clean-up of PatFront stickers in Illinois
There are a few antifa orgs with online presence, such as the one linked above and Torch Network, that keep tabs on this group and post thorough dox identifying many of its members. (its membership remains stagnant around 200-250 [according to its leader](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/28/leaked-online-chats-white-nationalist-patriot-front) in leaked internal communications) Most of their activities are limited to propagandic stunts to try and gain attention: flash mob demonstrations, attempting to march alongside irrelevant right-wing protests, petty vandalism of memorials and putting up stickers. Like culture jamming minus the whole culture part. This article shows a right-watch group in action, quickly removing propaganda before sunrise and preventing the advertisement of this propaganda organization.

Hi! Lemmy's official software site has a list of public instances and I noticed that slrpnk.net isn't included. https://join-lemmy.org/instances I think that this site could gain long-term exposure to more potential users by asking the site admins to add this instance to that list.