No disrespect meant.

By armchair socialists I mean: like you won’t go out to protests, wont try to talk to your neighbors about organizing etc. Just slacktivism like changing your profile picture to pride during pride week and posting on lemmy at best.

Yeah I get that a bunch of netizens probably have mental health problems, but I bet my life that other activists over history have had severe mental/physical health problems but still went out, at least sometimes.

You assume we haven’t, or aren’t trying to? Or assume anyone is doing more in that regard? Some of are kids and you can’t really expect them, no matter how right, to be taken seriously or not be doing other things, like focusing on school, internships, or having a tough time on life. This does not exclude them from protests mind you, and I myself have participated in protests and the BLM movements (although few, they aren’t that active in Hawaii, sadly). We also see slacktivism as useless, used mostly by people trying to get something extra out of those people (mainly money), and permanent support as all that is necessary.

I am surrounded by liberals, and thus can’t do communist organization with my neighbors, just liberal activism (which is inherently useless) although I will try in the future, once I have more theory and a plan for what to do (don’t do this shit half-assed, gain friends, gain a vision). I also want to develop my experience in environmental conservation and Marxism Leninism before organizing it.

Some may be afraid. Liberals are completely and utterly hostile to us, and its very rare to find even another communist to work with, and Marxist Leninists are quite rare in the west (although growing in power). Although this should not prevent them from continuing, it does for some.

Why are you assuming we don’t do things? The west is very dry of communists, and very hostile to them, so of course you’re not going to see them all over, nor even waving a USSR flag or whatever in a normal protest, just blending in for the most part.

Reading is also important, we cannot have ill-read leaders of half-baked movements. You can’t just start a union, or branch a political party, or start a community garden without basic understanding of Marxist theory (or do it well). You can’t just go off into the world and do things, no Marxist has ever done that. MLs of even the revolutionary kind were expanding their understanding and critique of economics most of the time, and that is how you truly overcome. You must know the enemy and yourself to defeat the enemy, as they say. please ask for any elaborations.

Some may be afraid.

Specifically on this, an employer can fire you if they find out you’re a communist. You can lose the respect of family and friends. Support structures can be torn away from people. The police have been used against communists in the past too. To be an open communist in the US, especially during these hard times and in this climate, is political suicide. The Marxist movement simply isn’t big or popular enough in the US to make being a communist in public a safe option for many people.

I, for instance, am a very loud communist. I’ve organized at scale and have become known in certain circles as a principled Marxist-Leninist. In doing this, I’ve received loads of death threats and harassment from people who would claim to be “to the left of the left”. For a lot of people, even in atmospheres with a general leftwing attitude - like a community soup kitchen or garden for instance - being openly Marxist will result in harassment, death threats, and the occasional use of physical force. You really can’t expect people to welcome that, especially minorities and the people who benefit the most from Marxism, who get the worst of the harassment when they’re openly communist. I have a black comrade, great friend of mine, a good person through and through. He was harassed with racist death threats for years, because a single anarchist (who became a fascist, btw) saw him being openly communist while black, and took offence to that.

Of course, you can’t be afraid to be a communist. But, as long as we don’t have strong parties that can ensure that people won’t lose work, or support structures, or what have you for publically supporting Marxism, being too afraid to announce one’s belief in Marxism is valid.

slow, unstoppable buildup

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Masking, as an autistic Marxist, could be a problem then.

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Some may be afraid.

Isnt the best way around this to just pretend to be socialist instead of communist? Or socdem or similar

If you’re dishonest about where you stand, you can only bring people to where to claim to be. If you claim to be a social-democrat, everything you do for your community will be attributed to social-democracy, and you’d be helping the liberals far more than you’d be helping Marxism.

If people find out you’re actually a Marxist-Leninist while you’re claiming to be a social-democrat, you’ll be labelled an infiltrator and that will only hurt people’s willingness to accept Marxism. Talking about optics is usually a pointless discussion, but the way the ‘on-the-fence-ers’ see our ideology matters. If they think we’re trying to sneak into their organisations to steer them towards what they see as ‘red fascism’, they’re only going to become more hostile.

In this circumstance, it is better to simply stay home and drive Marxism forwards via the keyboard, in the hopes that your efforts are noticed by those who can leave their homes, and are able to organize in their communities. These homebody comrades are just as valuable to the movement as the activists, as long as they actually dedicate their time to progressing the aims.

then you have to deal with pretending to be what you aren’t, which is also lying to the people you want to help, that is bad.

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I myself have participated in protests

By definition doesn’t this make you not an armchair socialist?

well, I do not want to leave my fellow less active comrades in the dust

I’ll be honest, your wording and implied tone lead me to believe you are more interested is casting aspersions than receiving answers here.

I think a lot of people who go “out there” need to spend some time at home reading theory.

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I have some ideas on what i think you mean, but can i have an example of what you mean?

Anarchists, liberals, and many communists are trying to do material work without improving their ideological basis, they cannot truly organize without such ideology.

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pardon me, by example i mean like a specific example. Like saying CHAZ needed more readings first.

CHAZ would be one. With proper revolutionary conscious and organization, they could have liberated the entire city! They fell to infighting easily, and were then subjected to US steel. All mutual aid groups as well seem to not be expanding their efforts for a revolutionary capacity, which is fair, but may be their undoing.

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With chaz, surely there must have been a sizable number of well read communists there. But that still didn’t accomplish like city wide liberation.

I do agree that anarchists seems more city block by block focused

Perhaps, but with more liberal leaning cities or at least mentalities, we do not know if they had any control over such things. It may not have helped anyway. It would have most likely been crushed anyway, the USA needs a full rising of class consciousness to even a basic degree, and that seems like a monumental task itself.

Don’t get me wrong though, community development is important, but it is necessary for further development to be the goal, and community development a tool or a way by which to reach it, not the goal itself.

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I read a bit about the spanish war. It seemed pretty clear that the anarchists had no chance against the fascists military, but the communists mounted a good fight. Which i remember as the anarchists being more focused on community dev

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Also, i don’t know much much free time you have, but i would extremely impressed and jump ship to your ideology if you could whip !antiwork@lemmy.ml’s matrix/discord/telegram chat into something vaguely revolutionary. I have no idea why most participants are even there. They seem to oppose:

We’re trying to improving working conditions and pay.

We’re trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

I will look at it tomorrow sometime, Its 10pm here, and I need to sleep! I accidentally ventured onto reddit and my brain needs a thorough break.

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DM me how it goes!

I will do my best to look into it! GN!

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:wave:

Most people here cant do much even if we tried, some are kids, others are too occupied with work and life issues, most are surrounded by hostile ambients, with people who hate communism.___

There’s nothing near me, like literally nothing. Closest thing is a DSA an hour or two away and apparently that’s completely dead.

My neighbors have threatened my life on multiple occasions for not being straight so I can’t say I feel comfortable talking to them. Reading theory is just about the only thing I CAN do right now.

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thanks for the input! Hope your situation improves!

I’m in a similar situation. I’m planning on moving to another area and joining a party, but it’s gonna be a minute.

Because of how ostracism works from even “comrades” when sincerely talking about self criticism, and how blatantly anti-atheist large groups are.

Also, we aren’t China in the 30’s or 40’s.

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anti-atheist large groups

What large groups?

I’m talking in general. Religious groups, no matter how reactionary their core beliefs are, are protected from criticism and whistle-blowers.

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Being an American, black, neurodivergent male; I would probably be dead, arrested, or become a prisoner if I did any activism.

Also I’m uncertain if I am actually socialist.

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99% of protests ive been to have 0 arrests. Most don’t even have 30 people

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Those protests are not influential enough then; actually influential protests (like civil rights protests) usually get a large amount of people arrested.

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the main point of going to small protest imo is networking

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Oh. ok.

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Hey, autist here. Feel you. Not the same, I know, but ableism still hits hard.

Also, the blatant pro-religiousness do help a lot to alienate people who can see the blatant contradictions between religions and Marxism, while also see first hand how alleged “comrades” that allegedly “want state atheism” will ostracize you.

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