I’m not sure if it ever was a societal thing where people thought it was okay to hit women, but from what I gather that’s what it sounds like.

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There are plenty of historical instances of both narratives existing. Even as far back as ancient Greece we have enough text available to explore ideas of domestic violence and conflicting narratives which exist primarily to enforce a concept commonly referred to as the sexual contract (note: I recognize that Carol Pateman has some problematic takes, but we will ignore them for the purpose of exploring this thesis) or in simpler terms to uphold the idea that women are property and the implications that come from that - if they are property then they need to be protected. Of course, if a woman is to assert that she is not property or challenges her status as property or causes trouble for the property owners it may make sense for the system to then treat them as hostile and allow a counter-narrative to exist, such as it’s okay to hit a woman in these circumstances, otherwise we should protect them as we protect property.

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in simpler terms to uphold the idea that women are property and the implications that come from that - if they are property then they need to be protected

Holy! This sounds about like what society sublimely says.

Of course, if a woman is to assert that she is not property or challenges her status as property or causes trouble for the property owners it may make sense for the system to then treat them as hostile and allow a counter-narrative to exist, such as it’s okay to hit a woman in these circumstances, otherwise we should protect them as we protect property.

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Protect woman, but if they’re bad call them a b or karen. Whereas a dude - no specific b word and no trending karen equivalent.

Let me guess - women now earn money outside the household, therefore hitting them and risking giving them ptsd/whatnot lowers their output therefore protect women by default? But since like african-american women are more likely to be on welfare than caucasian women, lowkey default to calling african-american women welfare queens and be fine with them being mistreated more?

Protect woman, but if they’re bad call them a b or karen. Whereas a dude - no specific b word and no trending karen equivalent.

Male on male ostracization typically is aimed at feminizing men, referring to them as sissies or f*gs, calling them weak, questioning the function of their genitals, implying they can’t provide for others (especially women), etc. There isn’t an exactly equivalent word to the b word because that’s directed women who break typical gender norms by being more commanding. Men wouldn’t be ostracized for being more commanding than their peers, they would typically be celebrated. Instead, when they break gender norms by being more caring or comforting they get ostracized with different words instead.

Let me guess - women now earn money outside the household, therefore hitting them and risking giving them ptsd/whatnot lowers their output therefore protect women by default?

I mean I think most men still think of women as property, which is why they think its okay to sexually harass them, so I think protection typically still stems from this. Those who are feminists probably take a more humanitarian view of just ‘protect people, but especially those who need extra protections such as minorities’.

lowkey default to calling african-american women welfare queens and be fine with them being mistreated more?

There’s definitely problems with racism entwined when we talk about intersectional identities. Unfortunately for many they internalize values from systemic racism, such as social judgements, without questioning their source.

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mean I think most men still think of women as property, which is why they think its okay to sexually harass them, so I think protection typically still stems from this.

Hmm? Protection and sexual harassment are related?

Yes, as I mentioned earlier it stems from the treatment of women as property. You can’t sexually harass property, and as a society we protect property.

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