Thoughts? Saw it on the covid room in matrix.

My daughter was just diagnosed with Long Covid and now has to get cardio-pulmonary testing every two months for a time period her doctors can only currently guess at. The long term effects of this pandemic are still a huge unknown.

I am so sorry. I hope your daughter gets proper treatment. What a world we live in…

its a good policy anyway, imagine what would happen if they let 1.6 billion people get sick. It would be the downfall of the nations stability

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What’s your reply to “We let everyone get sick in america and nothing bad happened, besides the bad people died/became more disabled”

I don’t think so now that there is a vaccine

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Their vaccination rates, especially of older people, are actually not so great in China, and much of it was done months ago with a relatively inefficient locally made vaccine.

Realistically speaking it is probably better to assume most people in China have very little immunity right now and the death toll would be quite massive.

Chinese vaccines are pretty good. I don’t think they are less efficient.

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This is evidently false, even the Chinese government says so. They are currently working on more efficient home-grown mRNA vaccines themselves, but so far these have not been completed.

Source for Chinese government saying that? Because that would be a very surprising statement. Please no western rags like guardian or nyt though.

I will state this was a year ago

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Yes and the vaccine is still the same. Edit: i.e. it is probably even less effective against Omnicron.

mrna vaccine efficiencies were also similar for delta and omicron. they were only higher for the alpha variant.

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It funny that I get down-voted (by what I assume are Genzedong users) for supporting the Chinese Government’s decision to keep to their “no-covid” policy. They probably have accurate immunity figures of the Chinese population and thus know that a “living with covid” policy would be devastating right now.

Just imagine being so ideologically blinded that they end up bad-mouthing the government that they try to stan 🤦‍♂️

I see where China is coming from with the “zero-covid” policy and I’m slightly supportive of it. If someone is significantly at risk, moving to China is also a way they can literally survive the pandemic.

I got “Long Covid” a few months ago after being triple vaxed. I’m quite fortunate since my only symptom is shortness of breath, and my current sports all involve short intervals; but for anyone else (if you do swimming, badminton, running) or if you get the other symptoms, it can be a lot worse.

The reality is that we really don’t know what long term implications of covid are. And countries that let covid run wild are running a giant experiment on their populations. This is a huge gamble that could have catastrophic results in the long term.

It’s also not possible to put the genie back in the bottle now that most people are sick of restrictions and refuse to take any measures. So, even if it becomes clear that measures need to be taken, there is no longer a path towards doing that.

We know that it’s possible for people to be reinfected with covid, and that both vaccines and natural immunity wane after around six months. We’ve been seeing rolling waves of the pandemic throughout the world because of that. Covid isn’t just a respiratory virus, it can attack many organs, including heart, liver, and the brain. Each time you get covid it’s like playing a roulette, and eventually you’re likely going to get long covid.

A very likely outcome is that a significant portion of the population will become disabled in some way, will not be able to fully participate in the workforce, and will put a large strain on the healthcare system. So, even if people don’t care about the human cost associated with the suffering caused by the pandemic, they should worry about the severe economic cost.

In light of all that, China’s approach seems like the only sane approach to take. It’s clearly been paying off for them and I hope they stick with it.

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We know that it’s possible for people to be reinfected with covid, and that both vaccines and natural immunity wane after around six months

Naturally immunity won’t fade if we’re constantly exposed to covid, aka under the current american system, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was constant exposure

It’s a natural selection arms race between human immune system and the virus though. As the immune system learns to identify existing variants, we start seeing new variants evolve that get around that.

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I get what you’re saying, but you might not get what i’m saying:

For simplification, lets say covid evolution goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, […] 100 where 100 is a new variant and 1 is the og covid. Lets say covid evolves from 1 to 2 over a 1 week period.

If you’re exposed to 1 you become infected then immune for 6 months. When you’re exposed to 2, it’s basically 1 but it renews your immunity. If you’re exposed to a new number each week (1, 2, 3, 4 etc 99) by the time 100 comes out, you’d have maintained immunity and your 6 month antibodies.

Make sense what i’m saying?

It does, but the problem is that each sufficiently divergent variant is effectively a whole new pandemic. Your immunity only works for variants that are similar enough for your immune system to recognize. Furthermore, there is a chance that new variants can cause new kinds of damage to the body.

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yeah. But if you’re under constant exposure to covid as it evolves, no variant will be new to the body, since 99 and 100 are bsaically the same

That’s now how it works in practice. Viruses can easily change in ways that make existing immunity worthless as we saw with omicron. Furthermore, viruses often recombine with other viruses. This isn’t a simple linear progression.

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That’s now how it works in practice.

you mean NOT* how it?

yeah accidentally a word :)

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