I don’t really care if Google took XMPP protocol and used it internally. That counts as “building on open-source stuff”, they can do if license permits. But they didn’t really killed the federated communities that uses it on a daily basis.
Over the years, open-source has kinda turned from “let’s build a public commons” into “let’s do free work for big corporations” and it’s… not a good change, to say the least
Which is why I do NOT respect MIT and similarly licensed projects
When people say “killed” they obviously don’t mean “literally no one uses it”. Also no one really cares that Whatsapp or Google are still using it internally. Google did serious damage to the public network and the broader XMPP ecosystem and it’s worth acknowledging and learning from that instead of just complaining that someone wasn’t absolutely precise in their language. For all intents and purposes, XMPP is effectively dead to the general public. Let’s try to bring it back to popular use and make sure Google et al. can’t do their “embrace, extend, extinguish” thing again.
@meloo google. did not kill xmpp… they use it intensively till now…
i would say, xmpp is the most used protocoll over all chat protocolls…
google use xmpp for communication from playstore to every fucking google-play-app on every android-phone with google.
google uses xmpp for cloud-printing
whatsapp is still xmpp, but with proprietary xeps and without federation.
facebook-chat is maybe still xmpp - also with proprietary xeps and without federation.
google hangout is still xmpp with proprietary xep and without federation
maybe something turned in the last years… but i’m sure… all this services are still xmpp…
so xmpp is NOT dead… it’s alive and most frequently used on earth…
XMPP slept, while smartphones grow up… there was a lack of good clients. and they grow this days… but good clients are not developed in 1 year, when the whole system slept for 12 years…
conversations is ok.
gajim gets a big relaunch
some web-clients are forcefully developed (jsxc, movim,…)
it takes time… it’s late… and matrix is a big concurrent…
@meloo bad clients, missing clients and old configured servers killed xmpp for public use…
I don’t really care if Google took XMPP protocol and used it internally. That counts as “building on open-source stuff”, they can do if license permits. But they didn’t really killed the federated communities that uses it on a daily basis.
Which is why I do NOT respect MIT and similarly licensed projects
When people say “killed” they obviously don’t mean “literally no one uses it”. Also no one really cares that Whatsapp or Google are still using it internally. Google did serious damage to the public network and the broader XMPP ecosystem and it’s worth acknowledging and learning from that instead of just complaining that someone wasn’t absolutely precise in their language. For all intents and purposes, XMPP is effectively dead to the general public. Let’s try to bring it back to popular use and make sure Google et al. can’t do their “embrace, extend, extinguish” thing again.
TL;DR — please stop being snarky to the OP.
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@sam @meloo@lemmy.perthchat.or
Nobody uses xmpp.
I’m nobody!
This kind of language is literally what I was replying to. You’re not helping, you’re just ensuring fewer people use XMPP. Stop spreading fud.
@sam
I’m spreading fud?
I think, you do not understand the humor behind my sentence… 😉
Thank god I didn’t know it’s dead, so I have already been using it for years ¯_(ツ)_/¯
OMG … XMPP is dead? I need to close my 14 years old XMPP account /s
@kromonos @meloo So i close my server and the accounts on it too… thank you for the hint!!!
@meloo google. did not kill xmpp… they use it intensively till now…
i would say, xmpp is the most used protocoll over all chat protocolls…
google use xmpp for communication from playstore to every fucking google-play-app on every android-phone with google.
google uses xmpp for cloud-printing
whatsapp is still xmpp, but with proprietary xeps and without federation.
facebook-chat is maybe still xmpp - also with proprietary xeps and without federation.
google hangout is still xmpp with proprietary xep and without federation
maybe something turned in the last years… but i’m sure… all this services are still xmpp…
so xmpp is NOT dead… it’s alive and most frequently used on earth…
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@poVoq That’s right…
XMPP slept, while smartphones grow up… there was a lack of good clients. and they grow this days… but good clients are not developed in 1 year, when the whole system slept for 12 years…
conversations is ok.
gajim gets a big relaunch
some web-clients are forcefully developed (jsxc, movim,…)
it takes time… it’s late… and matrix is a big concurrent…